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Phoenix Law Requires ID to buy cold medicine

  To: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com
From: "******** ********" ************** ******
Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 13:42:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [lpaz-discuss] ******** ******* - want to have some fun with me on this BS of requiring a gov ID to buy cold pills.

The ordinance probably is invalid as "over inclusive" under the equal protection and due process clause of the 14th and probably would fall under strict scrutiny test.

At this point, the best thing to do is let the "lists" mature for about 6 months and when the amount of meth production in the valley doesn't decrease and when the lists would show that not enough of the various cold medicines are being bought in large enough quantities to make meth, the appropriate challenges can be raised. The purchase logs will be considered a public record and will be subject to subpoena in an appropriate case.

The fact is even the authors of the ordinance knew that it would cost at least a couple of thousand dollars in purchases of the cold medicines to acquire enough ephedra to make 400 dollars worth of meth. If the meth makers were to use the over the counters like this, they would lose their shirts.

Another thing I see happening is someone without a "gummint" I.D. is going to be denied one of the cold medicines, the illness will deteriorate to some life threatening illness, or the person will die and there will be a wrongful death suit simply because the person didn't have "gummint I.D" particularly since there is no law in this country that generally requires anyone to have a "gummint I.D."

g'day
************** ************

********** *********** - SUPCRTX wrote:

>             I have seen this type of tactic used in the past. It is
> surprisingly ineffective. If I'm not mistaken you intend to post this
> information to demonstrate how unjust, unconstitutional and invasive 
the
> city's mandate is. But if you do this you will in all probability be
> attacked as violating the privacy rights of the people whose names 
you
> list. The last time I saw this demonstrated was when Ernie Hancock
> threatened to release all the voter registration data on the 
internet.
> The publicity for Ernie and the Libertarian Party was overwhelmingly
> negative and harmful.
>
>            
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:lpaz-discuss@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of **********  ****************8
> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:40 AM
> To: ************************ **********************
> Subject: Re: [lpaz-discuss] ******** ******** - want to have some fun 
with
> me on this BS of requiring a gov ID to buy cold pills.
>
>
> i was thinking of getting the data that people are
> required to give the city of phoenix when they buy
> cold medicine ie: their name, address, date of birth,
> drivers license number - and then posting it on the
> internet where everyone on the planet can view it.
>
> --- ***************** *************** ************************ wrote:
>
> > I would love to except that I have to attend to a
> > matter of a close personal
> > nature at the moment. My mom is ill and in the
> > hosptial right now. My
> > activism maybe limited.
> >
> > On 1/3/06, ************* ********************* wrote:
> > >
> > > hey mike!!!!! you want to have some fun with
> > me??????
> > >
> > > perhaps you could also send a freedom of
> > information
> > > request (per Arizona's Public Record Laws - A.R.S.
> > > 39-121) to the city of phoenix asking for copies
> > of
> > > the names, ages, date of birth, and addresses of
> > > people who bought cold medicine this month.
> > >
> > > i think the law says that the drug stores have to
> > fax
> > > the phoenix police a list of all the drug buyers
> > at
> > > the end of each month.
> > >
> > > i sent the city of phoenix a request demanding
> > that
> > > they let me go down to the police station and let
> > me
> > > take photos of all the names the drug stores fax
> > in.
> > >
> > > i have not opened the email but i think it caused
> > them
> > > to  freak out. i bet they will tell me i cant look
> > at
> > > the data. and if they refuse to give us the info
> > we
> > > could sue them just for fun.
> > >
> > >
> > > ********